Although it’s not directly related to Xenogears, Xenosaga was the true spiritual successor. Xenogears / Xenosaga universe Group Description This group includes Xenogears and Xenosaga games. It lacks balance, Gear combat is dull, and most of the cast are unnecessary in both story and gameplay. The third game is the best Takahashi game ever IMO. The Xenosaga trilogy boast similar gameplay to Xenogears, although the balance of story and gameplay underwent drastic revisions for the second game. Xenogears is hands and feet above Xenosaga. Another plus for Xenogears, at least to me, is that it is at its heart a love story. Being a single game, rushed as it was, really benefits XG a lot. I personally loved both Xenogears and Xenosaga and they both tie for the top spot of my favorite JRPGs. pus the final dungeon is SO EPIC. I think Xenosaga does come close, but I think it was far more longwinded, which didn't do it any favors. I really wanted to like it, I just couldn’t do it and I’ve tried probably 5 different times. When people hear the words "love story" they think of sappy slice of life stuff but the fact is, love stories come in all shapes and sizes. Semajer. Press J to jump to the feed. The first Xenosaga was by far my favorite of the different games. Surely it's better than this? Presumably the X in "Project X" was always symbolic of the Xeno-prefix, and that Tetsuya Takahashi intended to name it something as close to "Xenogears" as possible.It probably did not take long for Takahashi to settle on the "Xenosaga" title. Because of that very thing, as if turning her eyes away from death, Shion immersed herself in work to an abnormal degree. The more they act and the more they search, the more they become unable to be satisfied. Xenosaga meanwhile was marketed as the Final Fantasy Killer. All are perfect, flawed, and "Xeno" in their own way. As for the weak second disc, the game is easily 50+ hours as it is. In Xenosaga 2 (only one released in EU so can't rate the others), the battle system was really strategic and interesting, but also was incredibly slow. And early on in Xenosaga's development the word was that Xenogears would have corresponded to Xenosaga Episode 5. It's about Fei and Elly finally having their happy ending after 10.000 years of suffering and loss. In very serious times, they are convinced that they have been "robbed", and even become as if greedily wanting everything. Cookies help us deliver our Services. He needs to revisit it and finish his epic, at some point, and he is even willing to. I loved the crap out of Xenogears but I was never able to get myself to play Xenosaga for more than 5 hours whenever I would attempt it. I liked its long and slow cutscenes. If Xenogears is a wonderful puzzle where everything fits perfectly into place, Xenosaga is a puzzle where some parts clearly are missing or you had to nibble off a bit to make them fit. But for me it’s no contest. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Not her and some guy, just her. I realized after replaying Xengoears recently that its battle system is really, really bad. Xenogears i one game, Xenosaga is three. They each get their own villain and final resolution which is why I love Disk 2 of Xenosaga Episode III so much. Its good space opera. But the fact is they kinda just lnguish, contributing very little to the story. ... Just in case Xenosaga Freaks wasn't enough for Xenosaga fanatics to chew on, Namco has announced that a Limited Edition release of Xenosaga Episode II: Jenseits von Gut und Boese will be available. Neither game had a particularly compelling combat system but Saga had no idiotic horribly-implemented platforming and you could at least navigate through it. Therefore, she came to possess the view of life&death where life, which "does not go beyond the state of not being dead", places a leg in death. Uneven as Xenogears turned out to be, Xenosaga Episode I proved to be an even more challenging love-it-or-hate-it proposition. Evangelion set out to undermine and subvert the conventions of its genre, Xenogars sought only to elevate them, to make stories about anime robot fights substantive and complex. So quick question, how important is it to play 1-2-3 for Xenosaga? also who would wanna miss out on some of the greatest scenes and moments ever, like the highway chase, the motorcycle, Dinah's debut, and much more? U-DO dwells in the higher Upper Domain, and can observe mankind in the Lower Domain with its observation terminals, also called its \"eyes,\" Abel and Abel's Ark.U-DO is actually an energy from a higher dimension. You just sold me on just playing Xenosaga over Xenogears (as I only have time to play one in the foreseeable future). ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. … I think it's a shame that Monolith has gone so downhill since then though. They exist just to account for certain of the Plot Items and that's it. Granted, this might be down to tone. Fandom Apps Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. The story is … And I love Xenosaga 1. it's not spread out across the entire game. Well, I think at this point a lot of that antagonism has faded. I've got to say the mini games were the best. Main article: E.S. Xenogears, also known as Xenogears Episode V, is a role-playing game released on the Sony PlayStation by Squaresoft (now known as Square Enix) in February 1998 in Japan and October 1998 in North America. Episode 1 did well enough, getting a Greatest Hits release, but "well enough" is not Final Fantasy numbers. It came to be that it gives her strength in a realistic meaning. I haven't played Xenogears yet, but I've 100% completed all 3 xenosaga games. Can you link it or recommend one you like? no way, episode 2 is no where near the worst JRPG. The Xenosaga series, which is comprised of three main episodes that were all released for the PlayStation 2, was a spiritual successor to the 1998 PlayStation classic Xenogears. There was no tinkering with the management, no writers coming and being fired, etc.. Xenosaga's plot feels a lot more disjointed than Xenogears and it certainly has a far inferior resolution. But at the same time I feel a lot of the stuff about the "Ancient Civilization" that just happened to make all these magic artifacts is pretty badly handled. No matter how deeply one wished to escape death, no matter how deeply those around him also wanted not to die, death mercilessly visits. I even loved the combat in Episode II that most people seem to despise. Xenosaga is consistently linear. VI of Xenogears according to PW) the only slog was the 'Sakura' dungeon parts, but been through worst parts in mainstream jrpgs that get their tedious parts overlooked. also Episode has THE greatest sword duels in the whole trilogy. Now allow me to move onto the what Xenosaga did better area. The above contains topics relating to Xenosaga, Xenosaga: The Unofficial Site, and in some cases Xenogears and Xenoblade Chronicles depending on relevancy as it pertains to Xenosaga. E.S. It's why I always resent people who compare XAenogears to Neon Genesis Evangelion. I've only played the first 2 xenosaga's though, so I can't say what 3 is like, but here's what I thought of the first 2: Sorry to double post, I was juuuust over the message limit meh: You can't spell slaughter without laughter! Saga was self-sufficient. Xenoblade vs Xenogears vs Xenosaga; User Info: Link01588. Home; Merits of these works; The History of Xenogears; The History of Xenosaga; Future of the series; Xenogears and Xenosaga mirroring; The Play's interview with Monolithsoft (1999) Xenosaga Ep. Though it was created by Squaresoft, many of the game's key staff made the migration from that company to Monolith Soft. A fanpage based on Tetsuya Takahashi's magnum double-opus, Xenogears and Xenosaga. Xenosaga while finished, is a slog to get to the one worthwhile game in the series, the 3rd. I love Mitsuda to pieces but perhaps it was the fact they got the London Philharmonic Orchestra to do EP1's soundtrack that made them have less music than they should, What music they had was positively brilliant but the fact remains EP3 had far more awesome music as each town and dungeon had its own track this time around. Grahf (Graf in the original Japanese version) was a persona of Lacan that split off after he made contact with the Zohar five hundred years prior to the start of Xenogears. Also to add as well these Xenosaga games (at least 1 and 2) are absolutely massive games and were very ambitious at there time. Xenogears is a role-playing video game developed and published by Square for the PlayStation video game console.The debut entry in the wider Xeno franchise, it was released in Japan in February 1998, and in North America in October the same year. https://twitter.com/GameSpot/status/1261404814694658050. Xenogears does it all in one game. I'm sorry it took so long, but my Xenogears review is finally here! In a healthy state, type-7s show interest in everything around them; they are active, and they can yield spectacular results. I need to replay all four of these games. And I don’t just mean dense with content, although that’s certainly true. Xenogears vs. Tetris 03.31.2004 ROB PARTON JAPANDEMONIUM: I'm feeling far better now. And early on in Xenosaga's development the word was that Xenogears would have corresponded to Xenosaga Episode 5. And well, I've been postponing this grinding for ages. It's one thing it has in common with Xenosaga, actually. They would not stop talking about how Xenosaga was a total failure of a follow-up to their beloved classic. Which Xenogears walk through did you watch? The scope and ambition of Xenogears' story is just incredible. But then it DOES tie together. first. For Xenoblade, Xenoblade Chronicles X, and Xenoblade Chronicles 2, be sure to visit our sister wiki, the Xenoblade Wiki! Many people have wondered why Maria stays around, why Billy stays around, why Rico even exists. Lost count of how much time I wasted on the card game with friends but I loved the combat system. There's also a great mecca battle in one of the 3 saga games that even allows you to play local multiplayer. Winner Xenogears. So I played Xenosaga Episode 1 back in 2003. You go from one ship / dungeon / event to another, with the occasional ability to explore an individual ship or area. Is it disadvantageous for me to start just 3? I think a fan of either should play both Gears and at least Saga 3 (watch compilation vids for the first 2 games). Xenogears is a role-playing video game developed and published by Square for the PlayStation video game console.The debut entry in the larger Xeno franchise, it was released in Japan in February 1998, and in North America in October the same year. As with all opinions, mine is obviously biased. Really ballsy too. The series just got canned after 3, no clue why. Tetsuya Takahashi created Xenosaga as a spiritual successor to the Square -produced Xenogears, for which he founded Monolith Soft with help from Namco; multiple Xenogears staff returned, including co-writer Soraya Saga. By turning her eyes away from death and hiding her head in the work that was before her eyes, she was able to forget the feeling of nothingness. The following is a timeline for Xenogears, adapted from a fan's translation of Perfect Works with other events from other sources included. while its E.S. I love romance but I need my romance to be packaged with big, epic fantasy storylines. 293 likes. These are my main thoughts to get us started. It is in no way affiliated with Square-Enix Co. Ltd., Bandai-Namco, or Monolithsoft Inc. who owns the rights to the trademarks, characters, and stories. Miang is a great villain but Elly, the Elements, Margie and Emeralda are all defined by their devotion to some man. A big, BIG difference between Xenosaga and Xenogears is how much attention Xenosaga gives to its cast. Another plus for Xenogears, at least to me, is that it is at its heart a love story. Might make another attempt very soon before the major onslaught of new titles in Spring. It is a collective consciousness with a single mind, unlike the human collective consciousness with individual hive minds. Pages. D&D Beyond Episode 1 is largely a game divided into laying the groundwork for every member of our party. Later still, the Xeno title was described as a means of distinguishing Takahashi's work, phrased by the interviewer as a "director's signature". Planned it, have all three, love XG (beat it over a decade ago and watched a walkthrough about two years ago, story is as incredible as ever, read the Perfect Works book too), started the first part, but didn’t continue after the first two hours. It is the quality of having a single mind that makes U-DO's collective far more powerful than the human col… Xenogears is certainly better than Xenosaga Episode I and especially II, but Episode III was one of the PS2’s best JRPGs and I think the argument could go either way there. Flying around in the ship listening to that amazing music....the epic story....fuck I need to play it again. I needed savestates and guides with maps to get through Gears. KOS-MOS (Japanese: コスモス) (recursive acronym for Kosmos Obey Strategical Multiple Operation System) is a fictional character from the Xenosaga role-playing video game series by Monolith Soft and Bandai Namco Entertainment.KOS-MOS also appears as a major character in the anime Xenosaga: The Animation and in several crossover video games. Xenosaga … I thought Xenosaga was good. Xenosaga's atmosphere and presentation was a … Sales of Episode 2 made Xenosaga into a three-game series instead of a six-game series. I can't compare the stories, but I can comfortably say what I played of Xenosaga was much better as a game in general. 1. True, that is a fair point. You make it sound like the storyline was butchered into half. I saw a lot of combativeness between these two fandoms, especially some Xenogears fans. The only person who really doesn't get much is MOMO. But by and large the entire cast remains interesting and dynamic and relevant to the very end. First off, while I praised Fei and Elly, I think XG didn't do enough with its female cast. If Xenogears is a wonderful puzzle where everything fits perfectly into place, Xenosaga is a puzzle where some parts clearly are missing or you had to nibble off a bit to make them fit. Both games are fun and I enjoy them both. I got nothing against any of these characters and I actually like Rico. V and VI should have been the future part of the story (corresponding to what comes after Xenogears - Ep. In my own subjective scale, Xenosaga is half as good as Xenogears. Xenogears meanwhile has a much more positive, uplifting conclusion. They still kinda are, they're just too simplistic and easy. Its not just its HORRIFIC combat its also deadweight on the 3rd forcing it to spend time fixing its plot mistakes all while answering nothing from the 1st, of which you will have many many questions. View my complete profile. Xenogears is unfinished and still regarded as a masterpiece. At the same time, we began development on 'Xenosaga. Reasons for this are as simple as Xenogears came from Squaresoft fresh on the heels of the biggest JRPG ever, Final Fantasy VII. On the flipside, women are supposed to be passive and soft-spoken but Shion is as reckless and headstrong as any "conventional" mecha hero. Xenogears is really in it's own league as far as story goes. Xenogears is one of my favorite games of all time, but it is severely unpolished. It was one of the first JRPG's I ever completed and it launched my lifelong love with Japanese media.I played Xenogears in 2005, getting it from a local GameStop, and I recently replayed the first disc with my more "mature" eyes. Xenogears/Xenosaga Discussion. Summary. But Xenogears was the best RPG I had played, just a few years prior. Uneven as Xenogears turned out to be, Xenosaga Episode I proved to be an even more challenging love-it-or-hate-it proposition. We look into the possibility Monolithsoft is connecting their Xeno series on Crazy Connections today and the potential implications it brings. It's a beautiful puzzle which, when the final piece slides into place, makes you sit back and nod in appreciation at its genius. The RPG series follows the story of a group of characters as they fight for the safety of the planet. Shion is of this type of condition. This is it, the final battle against the physical manifestation of God, known as Deus. This is abit unfair comparison but the fact remains when people talk about Xenogears and Xenosaga, why one is better than the other, they lump Xenosaga altogether. Grahf (Graf in the original Japanese version) was a persona of Lacan that split off after he made contact with the Zohar five hundred years prior to the start of Xenogears. Uhh well regulars here might know more about this, but the way I remember it was that xenogears was originally part 5 in a 6-part series, and xenosaga 1-3 are eps 1-3. Most people will say Xenosaga had a better story, but I personally thought that it became baloney by the second game. The Xenosaga series, which is comprised of three main episodes that were all released for the PlayStation 2, was a spiritual successor to the 1998 PlayStation classic Xenogears. Men in robot anime are supposed to be assertive and boisterous. In this Xenogears review, SuperDerek examines the PlayStation classic, Xenogears! on the chance that the industry is watching. However, the years between Xenogears and Xenoblade Chronicles gave birth to another series: Xenosaga. Critical Distance is proud to present this Critical Compilation of the Xeno games — Xenogears, Xenosaga and Xenoblade — curated by Brian Crimmins.. And the key is, they maintain this focus all the way to the end. An interesting interview with creator Tetsuya Takahashi from February this year by the Japanese denfaminicogamer site has been translated by Lugalbanda, and while it is not specifically a Xenogears or Xenosaga interview, it is a general Tetsuya Takahashi interview that goes into some interesting stuff about Xenogears and his time at Square and so I've decided it belongs on the study … it has a lot of great things, and the combat is also great too, its also the most challenging of the 3. A subreddit for Japanese Role Playing Games from past and present. If you like one, you would probably like the other. Grahf calls himself "The Seeker of Power" because Lacan was powerless. This is the "Fatal Fight" theme against E.S Levi from Xenosaga III. It's great, but Xenosaga is just...so good. And she's not alone. So while I have full intent to play Xenogears, I doubt it will be able to top the enjoyment I got from Xenosaga. Xenosaga and Xenogears , especially Billy’s story, are packed with biblical references. But let me start by saying what I feel Xenogears does better. First you have Jr. and Yuriev then Ziggy and Voyager than Jin and Margulis. Privacy PolicyCookie SettingsDo Not Sell My InformationReport Ad. I left off somewhere in part 3, but that was back when it came out, so at some point I'll just play the whole trilogy again. Enjoy!I do not own Xenosaga or any of its music and characters. Probably would have been fleshed out more if we had more games but we didn't so I must critique what we got. In this Xenogears review, SuperDerek examines the PlayStation classic, Xenogears! In Xenogears I loved the unique story and all the parts where you go around by foot, including the awesome combat system, and hated all the "gears" parts. We look into the possibility Monolithsoft is connecting their Xeno series on Crazy Connections today and the potential implications it brings. Xenosaga Ep. Over 20 years later, Xenogears is still heralded as a classic, receiving concerts and tie-in events with various games. I played them a lot growing up but not so much recently. Xenogears is one of the most adult, mature RPGs I've ever played. unit capable of transforming between a more traditional-looking craft and a more humanoid form that was constructed to work with KOS-MOS' systems. For better or worse, I think most people look at the finished product as one whole just like with Xenogears. "We created Monolith Soft in October 1999. Well, I think at this point a lot of that antagonism has faded. Xenogears is the most powerful Gear in Xenogears. Over 20 years later, Xenogears is still heralded as a classic, receiving concerts and tie-in events with various games. The only Xenosaga I've played is Ep. Fandom Apps Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. As far as respective timelines go, Xenogears was the best in its respective time. Thank you for not spoiling the story! Another important similarity between Shion and Shinji is the well-explored psychological reasons for why they are who they are. It's everything Takahashi ever wanted. I actually really like Xenosaga Ep. However, the years between Xenogears and Xenoblade Chronicles gave birth to another series: Xenosaga. All of the games in the series ha… Xenosaga 1 felt like a taste of Gears, 2 felt even less substantial, and 3 felt like the follow up to Gears I had always wanted. Xenosaga does it over three games, and the quality of the games is not the same. A lot of the time in Xenogears you will be like "okay...what the hell does any of this have to do with the opening FMV?" Xenosaga expanded so much. Please do not put Xenosaga information in this timeline, it should remain a separate timeline. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. III and IV should have been the planet part of the story (corresponding to what is told and seen in Xenogears - Ep. Xenogears. Xenogears might be a better overall package, but Xenogears and Xenosaga are too different to really compare. Xenogears starts off a little more rural/fantasy like that dips into sci-fi. I believe they're in #2, and for me that's why it's my personal favorite. But saying that, ALL Xeno games are good. - And what about the Xenosaga games? Dinah. Only issue is that you can only attempt the mini games in a small portion of the late game. This wiki contains unmarked spoilers for Xenogears and the Xenosaga trilogy. I am very familiar with the two games. This is probably because both Gears and Saga were planned to be six games worth of story, with Gears itself being the fifth installment in its story.That definitely factored in. Xenoblade (Otherwise known as Xenoblade Chronicles) is the spiritual successor to Xenosaga and Xenogears developed by Monolith Software, and is a Nintendo exclusive. plus there are a lot of great moments with the characters and places to explore and some cool iconic boss fights too. Does it still hold up? Although I think even there they have pretty big differences. E.S. I have never seen Macross but I have seen every Gundam that was produced at the time XG came out and I know the creators Tetsuya Takahashi and Soraya Saga are huge mecha fans and Xenogears is clearly a love letter to their favorite anime genre. The Xeno games, Tetsuya Takahashi’s pet project and meta-series, are remembered as dense video games. [2] [7] As with Xenogears , Xenosaga was planned as a six-episode story, but was cut down to a trilogy due to various factors. However, within relationships to others, it is the case that this kind of personality goes too far, endlessly searching for new stimulus. For Xenoblade, Xenoblade Chronicles X, and Xenoblade Chronicles 2, be sure to visit our sister wiki, the Xenoblade Wiki! The fact that Xenosaga couldn’t get its hooks into me is enough for me to make my decision. An interesting interview with creator Tetsuya Takahashi from February this year by the Japanese denfaminicogamer site has been translated by Lugalbanda, and while it is not specifically a Xenogears or Xenosaga interview, it is a general Tetsuya Takahashi interview that goes into some interesting stuff about Xenogears and his time at Square and so I've decided it belongs on the study … Why was this game considered "controversial"? We missed Xenogears so much but overall Xenosaga seemed a fresh start full of hope. My big gaming regret of this year is that I didn’t play through Xenosaga. People hated Shinji for being a "failure of a man" - soft-spoken and passive and dare I say whiny. They would not stop talking about how Xenosaga was a total failure of a follow-up to their beloved classic. In my own subjective scale, Xenosaga is half as good as Xenogears. II, III, IV and V of Xenogears according to PW) Xenosaga Ep. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Xenosaga … Though it was created by Squaresoft, many of the game's key staff made the migration from that company to Monolith Soft. It is a large white Gear with 8 spikes coming out of its back and angelic wings which appear when the Xenogears reaches its maximum power limit in battle (with a 99% chance of happening after the first round of battle). To this day I still have not played Xenogears, but I revisit Xenosaga Episode 1 and 2 and PlayStation 2 every year or so (I don't own number 3 unfortunately). Xenogears is much better than Xenosaga 1 and 2. That being said, if you prefer more lighthearted tales then you'll probably have a much better time with Grandia. V and VI should have been the future part of the story (corresponding to what comes after Xenogears - Ep. Please note that the English fan-translation of Perfect Works has a typo where it lists the events of 9496 as 6496. When you strip away the Kung-fu robots and ancient conspiracies and all that stuff, Xenogears is a remarkably straightforward narrative about our hero getting the girl. It is not an Omnigear, rather it is Fei Fong Wong's Weltall Gear that made contact with the Wave Existence. Xenosaga refers to many elements of the mythology but the setting is 100% sci-fi. The Xenosaga and Xenogears wiki that anyone in the Milky Way galaxy can edit! Grandia is a phenomenal game with one of the best battle systems in RPG history. That said, several elements between the game worlds are related, including the Zohar. Xenogears and Xenosaga Study Guide Preservation of information and interviews regarding this epic series. 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