Me neither; am crazy or did I see somebody in black draped clothing crawling out of the water onto an embankment? line. James appeared to flick away something from his shoulder after being shot. 2- It will be revealed that hatching masterful plans isn't just a James Delaney specialty. Earth: The properties of magic in this show has been heavy with spirit, water, and fire. The reason why he buried Thorne was because he felt bad that Thorne had died when he didn’t have to die. I think that he was really surprised by Zilpha. Zylpha had faked her death to attain a certain goal/go to a certain place and it will have major impacts on the upcoming events. TrueMikki17 ... Kristall Rin 32,352 views. His rejection of her, his severing of their relationship, was too much for her to deal with, and to escape the pain and the longing she felt within the cage of her life, she decided the only way to slip its bars was to kill herself. Ravens carry the souls of the dead to...odd speculation thread on Reddit. Chris “Holy Spirit” Sawin @evilbutters. ', since you seem to think you have some "SPECIAL IN' on how the writer/producers are making this story, wow you just enlightened me, YOU SEE EVERY THING CORRECT in this show. Delaney questions her death and it seemed to come out of nowhere and happened rather quickly...Im just not believing that they built up this storyline over 8 episodes and just extinguished it with no explanation or conclusion. James decides that it must include safe passage in the American blocus. James Delaney character is the most intriguing in a long time, Taboo story is so addictive that it is unthinkable that they only give us one season. Taboo Episode 2 Recap: James makes plans and his enemies try to thwart them Wed Jan 18, 2017 at 5:09pm ET Sat Jul 04, 2020 at 5:09 pm EDT By James Wray Leave a comment It is just good. So if you see women like that, you might as well be having sex with me.” That shock completely pulls him out. Which leaves us with the question of Lorna. So I thought Id start a board for people to talk about the incestuous relationship that James and Zilpha have. If he feels any shame - he seems to be immune from finer feelings. Now I don't agree with incest, but I'm so tired of everyone putting this all on James and saying Zilpha is a victim. When he recognizes someone he has use for, it’s true. Zilpha – “I was thinking, and … She has advised the Americans to accept the monopoly James wants against Nootka. I think the storyline fell flat to me because of the lack of detail or backstory. With Russell Westbrook likely to leave, the Rockets were hoping that they will get to keep Harden. And when she finally decided to kill Thorne, she had said that James had told her to do that and he never had. And it's very clear from what I've seen in the show that the sex they have is consensual. She was a high speed train wreck. So with Zilpha, the reason he doesn’t want her a part of it is he doesn’t think she is his sort of person. What do you guys think? I think James recognized that Zilpha wasn't really like him in that she truly believed in religion and God. I think it was more than him just losing interest, something changed. Now that season 2 is confirmed, I expect one of two things: 1- Zilpha will haunt James persistently throughout his upcoming adventures, and it will affect him far more than the other dead people he sees/hears. It aired on BBC One in the United Kingdom, on 7 January 2017 and on FX in the United States, on 10 January 2017.A second series was announced during March 2017. It … We just never saw him do it. But they certainly left the door open for her surviving. They couldn't vote, or inherit property. I think he felt they were one and then she actually outed the oneness, so he started to step away from her. Their story could've been written better--for example, we could have seen James' supernatural powers decrease as Zilpha's increased or have Zilpha be his diabolical muse. I totally get what you are saying but it seems too obvious. And I think this is reason enough to keep her in the show. Taboo Quotes. Starring Tom Hardy as adventurer James Keziah Delaney who builds his own shipping empire in the early 1800s. She killed herself. you can love someone and still resent them). that the reason he'd stop wanting to fuk his half sister, was that's a visual fact shown and that it represented Oedipal under pinnings, so the fuuk what? i just - you know sometimes it's hard to forget that cognitive dissonance and hating characters isn't the characters fault - it's the creator's. When Zilpha tries to push James away he basically tells her that is impossible because of the “great big river that connects them” and says “I will always be this close to you, won’t I?”. After having killed her husband and being rejected by her brother/lover Zilpha kills herself, and with ridiculous effect. I'm not ready to re-watch them all yet. She had lost everything that mattered to her. If it is James and Zilpha's child, though, maybe shame makes James not want to see him again. The "Taboo" finale was mostly well received by the twitter audience, however, it also triggered strong feelings from citizens of Shat Nation: anger over Zilpha's death, frustration over plot holes, curiosity about James Delaney's mental state, and hope for a "Taboo" season 2 and beyond. Set in 1814, Taboo follows one James Keziah Delaney (Hardy), a man long presumed dead who returns to London from Africa to claim his share of his deceased father’s shipping empire. J ames had fled to Africa after having stolen fourteen diamonds in England, after the death of his father. (2)He gets the flashbacks/images of his witch-mother while they're having sex. (I'm hoping for something along these lines). The finale opens with a letter from Zilpha Geary, Delaney's recently widowed half-sister. She is extraordinarily good. She wasn't like him, she was similar to Brace in that her feelings for him/his presence drove her to do things she probably wouldn't be able to live with. There’s a forbidden longing, and lust pulling them together like two magnets even though they are half brother and sister. Taboo is a BBC television drama series produced by Scott Free London and Hardy Son & Baker. Honestly, even the writers might haven't decided it yet and it could also depend on the actress willingness and availability. Also, James dug her freakin husband's grave and he's not even worried about finding her body to give her a funeral? She had submitted herself to a respectable life that he had compromised. I don't think any of the male characters would've been able to do that. James: They're my rocks now. The "Taboo" finale was mostly well received by the twitter audience, however, it also triggered strong feelings from citizens of Shat Nation: anger over Zilpha's death, frustration over plot holes, curiosity about James Delaney's mental state, and hope for a "Taboo" season 2 and beyond. because we were rooting for their relationship, because despite the incest their whole 'we're the same' schtick felt like the closest thing to a love story worthy of these people, terrible as they were. I could be wrong but from what I've surmised is that she most likely came onto him. They knew each other’s madness and she kind of stepped across an unwritten line between the two of them. Zilpha did that of her own volition, which ironically makes her seem insane as he rejected her, in a passionate way. She still worried about heaven and God's judgment and we know that James doesn't believe in any of it. We didn't see her die. He’s broken because she did that. She even made a joke about him being gay. What appears to be a re-run of last week's outing takes a diverting turn in the final act. Did Zilpha really die? Then, they have sex and he starts to see his mother and his mother is basically saying, “No, just realize this isn’t love — this is obsession. She could have some plot in London, or it could be that she tries to follow Delaney and he meets her again. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. There towards the end, he does see it. He didn't need to be seen preferring to bonk his sister to be tortured and unhinged. My biggest frustration with this show is that it takes forever for people to die and especially the central characters. Why did the EIC wait until now to blow up James’s ship, when its ownership and location — like that of his office, his house, and his sister’s house — is a matter of public record? He also says they used to speak to each other without talking in dark corners and they are the same person. But when James wakes up the next morning in the mud, Winter is found dead. Taboo Season 2: Apparently Tom Hardy Is Back In The Role Of James Keziah Delaney For The Second Installment ... as well as Oona Chaplin as Zilpha Geary, Stephen Graham as Atticus and Jefferson Hall as Thorne Geary. The series was created by Steven Knight, Tom Hardy, and his father, Chips Hardy, based on a story written by Tom and Chips Hardy. Should be short and to the point. Im unsure of the motivation that would lead her to do this but why show that scene? Personally I don't care for incest but I accept it with some caveats. Taboo Quotes. Seeing the quality of the writing throughout the 8 episodes, and the attention to detail, it's hard for me to think they'd do all those scenes and character development between Zilpha and James only for her to end her life so abruptly and quickly. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, http://ew.com/tv/2017/02/28/taboo-season-1-finale-postmortem-tom-hardy-steven-knight/. The earliest copy of the Infancy Gospel of James is a text discovered in 1958 and dating to the 4th century. It did really remind me of the videotape in True Detective and I don't think this was written in a void. The chemistry between Hardy as James and Chaplin as Zilpha oozes between the two of them every time they are near each other. And you’re not going to move forward spiritually, because you’re having sex with your sister to punish your father for killing me. Created by Steven Knight with Tom Hardy and Chips Hardy, the drama series Taboo is set in 1814 and follows James Keziah Delaney (Tom Hardy), a … She murdered her husband, and was rejected by James. Nonsense. He would never express this, but maybe somewhere deep down, he wanted her to escape from him. If it was the murder or him not wanting her involved he would of Brace'd her. which felt so unfair and alienating? Also Read: 16 'Taboo' Main Characters, Ranked by How Dirty They Are (Photos) But Delaney, it turned out, was not simply motivated by some kind of nihilistic rage. Permalink: They're my rocks now. because in those days it wasn't uncommon for men of 30 to marry girls as young as 14; from a young age Girls were raised to be subservient to men, and treated like property or second class citizens. So the clear implications of James seeing his witch mother while he fucks his sister and his sister looking possessed witchy IS a PROBLEM for you!? Hardy/Knight shoved the concept of incest in our faces as if it was some revolutionary idea. James talks to the dead. LMAO. I didn't see any of that. If you’ve been watching Taboo from the beginning, you’ve been waiting for shit to get really bizarre. The show would have been better served if they'd used a different plot device than incest to inject some gripping family drama into the proceedings and while there's nothing 'romantic' about incest, James could have been just as fucked up chasing skirt elsewhere. He saw her as just like him, someone who was free from societal trappings, in control and self-possessed, maybe she was like him when they were younger. I don't think she is dead. Knight has a problem with any female character that isn't 100% submissive to the male lead. Similarly to Brace she would not have been able to handle the freedom that James embraces. It could have been the wadding, which is pressed down in the barrel to compact the gunpowder, to not only stop it falling out, but necessary to make it explode. I wanted them to show me some connection between the two outside of the dramatic stares and deep breathing. In the scene where she was walking on the bridge before she "fell" off, she looked up and saw the raven and smiled a little. Anyone else annoyed as hell at the swift shunting off of Zilpha as a nutter who commits suicide(no need to write for her character into the next season), conveniently James is all nearly religious anti-his love lust for her by the writers making it seem he's horrified realizing it's Oedipal wanting to fuck his mother by fucking Zilpha so tells her to Screw off good bye, and that's why they fuck is from hate of their mother/Father seeing it in each other? This show will not go on without the great acting of Oona Chaplin. She was a lost soul who had no real identity for herself and literally nothing left to live for. I understand the story they tried to tell. When you wanted to make art and you just made me laugh. Roger, Gene & Big D attempt to answer: Why did the kill off the most interesting character (Zilpha)? If you're going to include a copycat incest storyline for the sake of titillation then at least make it interesting and authentic. If they get a second season, the writing and story would be impressive if they surprise us with Zilpha having had some master plan of her own. But no, I don't think she is dead, or else we would have seen her corpse and unless weighted down, bodies float . Which James laughs at. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Unfortunately, it all went downhill in the 2 last episodes. James and Zilpha hook up. Press J to jump to the feed. For all we know. I feel like I watched too many shows to believe that someone is dead unless you actually and clearly see them die or they show the body. So yeah, not entirely convinced by James yet. I just felt mildly alarmed for them and embarrassed at everyone finding out. I think it's still quite likely that she isn't dead. There was no immediate Spooky DANGER going to happen to explain that James vision AT EXACTLY WHEN THEY had sex, than a Oedipal one. James had plenty of opportunities to kill Thorne, but he didn’t because Zilpha didn’t want him to — he wanted her to leave him. You didn't even use that as a better explanation. • Zilpha might be a dead woman walking, but her wardrobe remains magnificent. Considering it's only been 8 episodes, I'd say there's been a fair amount of people dying for such a short episode span. i didn't need a sex scene. I found myself invested in both characters separately but not their relationship with each other. But, if you were like me and just shrugged it off and moved on with the story, hoping it would make things more interesting, you were disappointed in the end. Or in a drunken, water infused magic moment, did James use her guts to auger some answers? Or maybe she turned against him or something. (Freud was a nut who wanted to fuck his mother and wanted everyone else to believe they do so he came up with Oedipus complex, but not everyone does because that's disgusting). And..I thought her plan to kill her husband went pretty well, so she can plan. "The tide won't bring her back". I agree, I felt their relationship was more complex than just incest - though this show's handling of that plot line says I'm wrong. And she hustles over to talk with James. Well AIONCAN, Troll posting below Cursing at my open IMHO opinion by saying 'WTF? I mean if they want to kill a main character, why not show her death, pick a less ambiguous death (e.g. james pursued her wildly, awakening the feelings/affections that she buried for her own safety/reputation/sanity and contributing to her madness in turn. Dude, if people think James is crazy... Zilpha was a bloody lunatic. They showed a scene of her in the bathtub..perhaps she was practicing holding her breath to fake her death? Lorna had a few cheeky digs at James. Him morning her after she"sang" to him wasn't a surprise. We never actually saw her die and no body, and Delaney didn't seem to be fully convinced either. Something I thought odd was before rejecting her and giving the pity diamond he specifically mentions that she should blame her God for the removal of the bond. Zilpha has been lying with James all along about her feelings for him. She's dead. Despite my complaints, Taboo‘s first season was good. She will be found and be committed to bedlam like Jame's mother. Zilpha killing herself seems perfectly in line with what we have learned of her mental state. The Infancy Gospel of James (also known as “The Gospel of James” or “The Protoevangelium of James”), is believed by scholars to have been written in the 2nd century. 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